Ep 48: How High Performers Get It All Done

Mare (00:16)

Welcome back to the Nurses Doing GAMSAT podcast. Our guest today is Louise Ledbrook. Louise is the creator of the New Rules Method and has spent 20 years helping people perform at their best in demanding careers, but without the burnout.

If you’re studying for the GAMSAT while juggling shift work, family, placements, or, like a lot of people, a full-time job, you’ll know this season requires long hours, sacrifice and a whole lot of grit. Louise isn’t about avoiding hard work. She’s about helping you manage the pressure, protect your energy and perform at your best, so you can make it through this incredibly intense chapter of your life and come out the other side stronger. I’m so excited to have you here, Louise. Welcome, welcome, welcome!

Louise (01:14)

Thank you. I’m excited to be here as well, so thanks for having me.

Mare (01:18)

I’m just going to dive straight in. I’ve got a whole heap of questions, but I suspect what’s going to happen is we’ll go off on tangents here and there. I just have so much I want to pull out of your brain for our listeners.

Let’s start with the juggle, because so many GAMSAT students are balancing work, study and family. What do you think is the biggest mistake people make during this super intense period?

Louise (01:46)

Yeah.

I think one of the biggest things is the way we think about the juggle at that point in time.

We think it’s just that the juggle is going to get a bit more intense, right? We think, “Life is a juggle every day.” We’ve got family, we’ve got work, and we tell ourselves, “I can juggle. I’m just going to add another ball.”

But life isn’t quite like that.

Imagine you’ve learnt to juggle three nice, round orange balls. That’s your normal life. Adding the GAMSAT isn’t like adding one more orange. It’s like suddenly trying to juggle flaming torches and knives.

Mare (02:25)

That’s how it feels.

Louise (02:27)

Exactly.

It’s not as simple as adding another ball. You’re adding a whole new level of complexity.

We have to treat it that way.

If we think it’s just another thing to juggle, we’re oversimplifying it. We don’t prepare ourselves or our lives properly for that season.

If you’re going from juggling balls to juggling knives and flames, you’re going to prepare differently. You’re going to ease yourself into it and put systems in place to help you manage that higher level of difficulty.

That’s one of the biggest mistakes I see. People oversimplify what this season actually requires, when really they need to think about the complexity on a much bigger scale.

Mare (03:14)

When you’ve gone through things like this yourself, because I know you’ve completed a Bachelor of IT and an MBA while living with chronic fatigue, which is no small feat, did you fall into that trap of oversimplifying it?

Or what would you do differently now?

Louise (03:35)

Absolutely.

I fell into that trap because I didn’t know any different.

Mare (03:39)

It’s actually good to know that.

It makes everyone feel a little better, and I’m sure a lot of people listening are thinking, “Okay… maybe this is normal.”

Louise (03:47)

It is normal.

Let’s normalise it because it really is.

Nobody ever taught me to think about these seasons differently.

Whether it’s the GAMSAT, university exams or another demanding period, it’s a completely different level of pressure and cognitive load from everyday life.

It’s not just another task.

Everything you normally have to do suddenly requires twice as much energy.

One thing nobody ever taught me was that we all have an energy budget.

You have to think carefully about where you’re spending that energy.

When I was living with chronic fatigue syndrome, I was working, studying, managing a household and trying to keep life together. Then exam season arrived and I simply piled more work on top.

I didn’t remove anything.

I didn’t change anything.

I just slept less, worked more and put myself under more pressure.

More than once, I crashed before I even reached the finish line.

That’s the danger.

If I’d understood the situation differently and prepared properly, I could have avoided those crashes.

It is absolutely possible to get through an intense season like this.

You do have to hustle.

You do have to work incredibly hard.

But you can do it without crashing, provided you prepare differently beforehand.

Mare (05:27)

So tell me…

How do we do that?

Because what you’ve described is exactly what my students are going through right now.

There isn’t really an option not to hustle.

The GAMSAT demands that.

How do they sustain that effort without burning out?

Actually, it’s not even about avoiding burnout.

It’s about making it all the way to the GAMSAT, whether that’s September or March.

It’s a relatively short season in our lives.

How do we make it through?

Louise (06:05)

Exactly.

You want to treat it like a sprint and still be standing on the other side.

You don’t want to collapse before the finish line.

Mare (06:11)

Exactly.

I honestly don’t even mind if people collapse into bed after the exam.

What worries me is students burning themselves out two weeks before the GAMSAT because they’ve pushed too hard too soon.

Louise (06:29)

Exactly.

Although I’d argue you don’t even have to collapse afterwards.

You might catch a cold or need a few quiet days because you’ve just come through an intense period, and that’s completely normal.

But you shouldn’t end up bedridden for weeks or months afterwards.

Preparation starts well before the intense study period.

You need to think about every area of your life.

Financially.

Physically.

Practically.

Ask yourself, “How can I make life easier during that season?”

Could you organise meal deliveries?

Could you hire a cleaner for a few weeks?

Could you arrange carpooling for the kids?

Could family or friends help with school pick-ups?

Don’t be afraid to ask for help.

People often feel guilty asking, but this is exactly the time when you should.

Many of these supports also have a financial cost, so plan for them early.

Build them into your budget well before the GAMSAT arrives.

Maybe it costs a little extra for prepared meals.

Maybe you need to pay for an Uber to get your child to sport because you can’t be in two places at once.

Those are all things worth thinking about in advance.

Then there are all the habits we know are good for us.

Meditation.

Mindfulness.

Sleep routines.

Wind-down routines.

They’re important all year round, but they’re especially important during GAMSAT preparation.

The key is not trying to build those habits during the most stressful period.

You want them to already be second nature by then.

You don’t want to be learning how to sleep well in the middle of GAMSAT study.

You want those routines established beforehand.

That’s what preparation really looks like.

Mare (09:26)

Lou, can I tell you something?

Inside our Bootcamp, during the Mindset Acceleration classes that run about nine or ten weeks before the GAMSAT, one of the very first modules is entirely about sleep.

I’ve been helping students prepare for almost twenty years now, and I cannot tell you how many people reach the week before the GAMSAT absolutely riddled with anxiety because they can’t sleep.

You simply can’t fix your sleep the week before the exam.

You build those habits over the nine or ten weeks beforehand.

The benefit isn’t immediate.

The payoff comes when you reach exam week.

It’s not necessarily about getting exactly eight hours every single night, because life happens.

It’s about developing a consistent routine that helps your body know how to wind down and fall asleep.

That habit has such a huge impact on sleep quality.

I couldn’t agree with you more.

It’s completely unsexy.

Nobody gets excited about sleep routines.

Louise (10:47)

I know!

It’s incredibly unsexy.

But if you’ve practised it for nine weeks, it becomes automatic.

Your body understands the routine.

It knows the cues.

There are even studies showing you can build up a bit of a sleep bank beforehand, so if you lose some sleep during the busiest period, your body copes better because you’ve gone into it well rested.

Louise (11:20)

Exactly.

Think of it as building a sleep bank.

If you can get a little extra sleep in the lead-up, it gives you more capacity to push through those periods when you inevitably get less sleep.

Because sleep is usually the first thing we sacrifice.

I certainly did.

I was never a great sleeper to begin with, but during exam periods I’d go from getting a reasonable amount of sleep to getting only three or four hours a night.

I’d be in the labs until four in the morning, then get up and go to work the next day.

Looking back now, especially during my undergraduate degree, I realise that many of the other students could afford to stay in the labs until four in the morning because they didn’t have to get up for work afterwards.

I did.

That’s why you can’t compare yourself to anyone else.

You have to work out what’s realistic for your own life and your own circumstances.

Mare (12:17)

None of it really feels fair.

Everyone’s situation is different.

We’ve got nurses doing shift work.

Some people live at home.

Some people live out of home.

Some have supportive parents.

Others are living at home but helping raise younger siblings.

Someone might say, “They’re not even my kids, but I still have to take my little brother to soccer.”

That’s real life.

I think it’s really important to sit down with the people around you and have an honest conversation.

Say, “For the next nine weeks, twelve weeks, or however long my preparation is, this has to become my priority.”

Talking about that mental load…

I love your analogy of moving from juggling balls to juggling flames and knives.

I’ve honestly never thought about it that way before.

You’re right.

You’re not simply adding another ball.

Louise (13:16)

Exactly.

Mare (13:19)

Having those conversations with the people who can support you is so important.

Sure, it would be wonderful if our partners, children, parents and colleagues all automatically understood what we needed.

But that’s often not reality.

At the end of the day, no one is going to advocate for you better than you can.

You have to ask for what you need.

Whether that’s your parents, your partner, your employer or your colleagues, sometimes you simply have to say,

“This is what I need over the next few months.”

Louise (13:57)

One hundred per cent.

Speaking of employers, that’s another area people often overlook.

Can you take leave during the most intense part of your preparation?

Could you temporarily reduce your work hours?

Again, that’s where planning ahead financially becomes so important.

I never even considered taking leave.

I took the exam day off, but I didn’t take time off beforehand to give myself some breathing room.

Remember, you’re absorbing an enormous amount of information.

That alone is mentally exhausting.

Add reduced sleep and high stress, and suddenly your energy is being consumed much faster than normal.

That’s why I keep coming back to the analogy of juggling flames and knives.

It’s a completely different level of energy expenditure.

So ask yourself where else you can reduce your workload.

Where can you create more room in your energy budget?

And please…

Don’t decide this is the perfect time to train for a marathon as well.

Mare (15:16)

Oh my goodness…

You have no idea how many people actually do this.

They’ll say,

“I’m going to tackle the biggest goal of my life…”

“…and while I’m at it, I’ll also take on another massive challenge.”

Louise (15:27)

Exactly!

I recently joined a new business coaching programme, and during the very first onboarding session they gave us a list of dos and don’ts.

One of the rules was:

“Do not start 75 Hard while you’re in this programme.”

For anyone unfamiliar with 75 Hard, it’s a seventy-five-day challenge where you’re required to complete a whole list of demanding tasks every single day.

It’s designed for personal development, but it’s incredibly time-consuming and physically demanding.

Sometimes people are out walking at eleven o’clock at night in freezing weather just to complete the challenge.

The coaches said,

“Don’t do it.”

Don’t add another major challenge to your life.

Let your business be the challenge.

I think exactly the same applies here.

Let the GAMSAT be the challenge.

That’s enough.

Mare (16:11)

It really is enough.

You know, I have this concept called productive procrastination.

It’s when you’ve got two important things to do.

Maybe you’ve got your university exams and your GAMSAT.

When your university exams arrive, suddenly all you want to do is GAMSAT study.

Then once the GAMSAT becomes urgent, you decide your university work suddenly needs all your attention.

Technically you’re still being productive.

You’re working hard.

But you’re avoiding the thing that’s actually most important at that moment.

I think people do this with all sorts of things.

Instead of studying, they suddenly decide now is the perfect time to train for a marathon.

Or start a strict new diet.

Or take on another huge project.

It’s still procrastination.

It just feels productive.

Louise (17:01)

Definitely.

Cleaning the house feels productive too.

Sometimes you genuinely do need a ten-minute break, and doing something completely different can help.

But then there are those moments where you suddenly decide the leather couch desperately needs cleaning.

Three hours later…

You still haven’t studied.

It’s about becoming aware of the difference.

Sometimes you’ll reach a point where you genuinely think,

“I really need a nap.”

Sometimes that’s real exhaustion.

Other times it’s simply another form of avoidance.

Learning to recognise the difference takes awareness and practice.

Mare (18:24)

I’ve got a question.

Everyone studying for the GAMSAT is under pressure.

That’s completely normal.

If you’re not feeling pressure, you’re probably not taking it seriously enough.

But how do you tell the difference between needing to push through and your body genuinely telling you to stop?

How do you know?

Louise (18:50)

That’s a really good question.

I think it comes down to learning how to read yourself, and I encourage people to start practising that early in the process.

You’ll probably notice yourself procrastinating long before the pressure reaches its peak. In the beginning, you’ve still got study to do, but you’ll find yourself thinking, “I don’t really feel like it today.”

That’s the perfect opportunity to start noticing the difference between procrastination and genuine exhaustion.

There are definitely signs when you’ve pushed too far.

Sometimes they’re obvious.

You feel dizzy.

You feel nauseous.

You can’t concentrate anymore.

You know you’ve reached your limit.

But often it’s not that simple.

Sometimes it’s just overwhelm.

You’re not sure whether you’re exhausted or whether you’re simply overwhelmed and need to push through.

That’s where I encourage people to start asking themselves better questions.

It might sound a little unusual, but you can even sit down with ChatGPT or Claude and type:

“This is how I’m feeling right now. Can you ask me some questions to help me work out whether I genuinely need to stop or whether I should keep going?”

It’ll ask things like:

“Are you feeling overwhelmed?”

“What’s actually causing this feeling?”

Just sitting with those questions can help you work out what’s really going on.

Then ask yourself,

“If I stopped for ten minutes, would that actually change anything?”

I have a process I take a lot of my clients through, particularly those living with chronic fatigue, because they often finish work and think,

“I’ve still got to cook dinner, look after the kids and manage everything else. I don’t know whether I can.”

Sometimes they genuinely can’t.

So I ask them to sit for ten minutes with absolutely no stimulation.

Mare (21:17)

That’s actually much harder than it sounds.

No Netflix.

No emails.

No social media.

Nothing.

Louise (21:26)

Nothing.

It’s not ten minutes of watching a TV show.

It’s not listening to a podcast.

It’s simply sitting quietly and breathing.

Let the thoughts come.

Don’t try to stop them.

This isn’t about clearing your mind.

Just allow your thoughts to come and go.

Usually, after about ten minutes—sometimes fifteen—you’ll notice your nervous system beginning to settle.

Your breathing naturally slows.

You become calmer.

The important part is removing all stimulation.

No meditation music.

No guided audio.

Nothing.

I actually did this once while getting my nails done.

Normally I’d put on an audiobook.

Instead, I just sat there quietly.

About fifteen minutes later I realised how much calmer I felt.

I had an event that evening, and I suddenly thought,

“Actually… I can do this.”

If, after that quiet time, you still feel completely exhausted, that’s a pretty good sign your body genuinely needs rest.

The problem is that people then panic about stopping.

They think,

“But I still had two more hours of study planned.”

The first thing I recommend is giving yourself certainty.

Otherwise you’ll try to rest while worrying the whole time about everything you haven’t done.

Hopefully you’ve already got a study plan.

Mare (23:11)

All of my students have a plan.

And if you’re listening to this and you don’t have one, please reach out to our team.

Book a call with Nelson or with me.

We’ll help you create one for free.

If you don’t have a GAMSAT study plan, that’s probably the single biggest takeaway from today’s episode.

You need to know what you’re doing every day.

Louise (23:30)

Exactly.

That plan becomes your guide, but it’s also like Google Maps.

You’ve got your blue route, but occasionally you need to take a detour.

Maybe today you genuinely need some rest.

That’s okay.

Google Maps simply recalculates.

You don’t throw the whole journey away.

You just adjust.

Look at tomorrow.

Maybe the next two or three days.

Ask yourself,

“Can I spread today’s work across the next few days?”

“Can I swap something around?”

“Can I cancel a meeting?”

“Can I replace tomorrow’s high-intensity workout with yoga instead?”

People often forget that physical exercise also consumes energy.

A high-intensity workout requires more recovery than a gentle walk or yoga session.

Everything draws from the same energy budget.

By adjusting your plan, you’re simply getting yourself back onto that blue line.

It removes uncertainty.

It gives your brain confidence that you’ll still reach your destination.

And remind yourself that resting today often means you’ll perform much better tomorrow.

If you ignore your body and push until you’re dizzy, nauseous or completely depleted, tomorrow may be a write-off anyway.

So ask yourself three questions:

“How overwhelmed do I actually feel right now?”

“Do I genuinely believe I can complete what I’ve planned today?”

“And am I starting to doubt my ability to succeed altogether?”

Mare (25:53)

That’s such an important one.

It’s amazing how quickly one bad study session can spiral into,

“What’s the point?”

“I’m never going to understand physics.”

“I’m obviously not smart enough.”

Suddenly it’s got nothing to do with physics anymore.

Louise (26:13)

Exactly.

Once you start questioning whether you’re capable, or wondering whether all the effort is even worth it, that’s often a sign you’re moving into panic and overwhelm.

That’s why the ten-minute reset is so valuable.

It feels like forever because you’re sitting quietly with your thoughts.

But afterwards, you can reassess.

Sometimes you’ll realise,

“Actually, I just needed to calm my nervous system.”

“I can keep going for another hour.”

Other times you’ll realise,

“No… I genuinely need to stop and get some sleep.”

And that’s okay too.

Tomorrow is another day.

Mare (27:33)

I sometimes wonder how much of this comes down to our internal dialogue.

It’s the stories we tell ourselves about what’s possible, the number of hours we’re putting in, and the progress we think we should be making versus the progress that’s actually realistic.

I wish progress looked like a straight line, steadily moving upwards.

You do the work, and the results immediately follow.

But life just doesn’t work like that.

Sometimes you’re working incredibly hard on something and it feels like you’re getting nowhere.

That’s where those ten minutes become so valuable.

For me, I think those ten minutes would be spent asking,

“Am I resisting this because it’s genuinely too much, or am I resisting it because it’s hard?”

Hard things are hard for a reason.

If they were easy, everyone would be doing them.

Sometimes the conversation I need to have with myself is,

“I can do hard things.”

“I’ve done harder things before.”

Louise (28:53)

Exactly.

Those ten minutes allow you to have that conversation with yourself.

You’re not trying to stop your thoughts.

You’re allowing them to come.

Sometimes, just by sitting there quietly, you answer your own questions.

You don’t force anything.

You simply let your mind work through it.

By the end, you’ll often find the mental chatter has slowed right down.

Sometimes that’s all you needed.

Mare (29:23)

Let’s be honest though…

A lot of people experience genuine panic around exams.

Louise (29:27)

Absolutely.

I’ve been there myself.

Completely overwhelmed.

Friends would say,

“It’s only an exam. Just relax.”

And I’d think,

“No, you don’t understand.”

“It’s not just an exam.”

“I need a really high score.”

All of those thoughts pile up.

The pressure from yourself.

The expectations.

The future.

Everything feels like it’s sitting on your shoulders.

So don’t minimise those feelings.

They’re real.

If you know you tend to become anxious during exam periods, develop some strategies before you get there.

Most people who’ve been through university have experienced some form of exam anxiety.

You’re certainly not alone.

Mare (30:38)

Exactly.

The people preparing for the GAMSAT aren’t the type of people who are happy just cruising through life.

They’re incredibly driven.

They’re high achievers.

They want to become doctors because they genuinely want to make a difference.

When I think about our community, especially our nurses, paramedics, physiotherapists and pharmacists, they’re some of the most caring people you’ll ever meet.

Take our paramedics, for example.

Their work is literally life and death.

They regularly attend situations where someone isn’t going to survive.

That’s incredibly stressful.

Yet many of them tell me the GAMSAT feels even more stressful than work.

It’s fascinating.

Over time, they’ve expanded their comfort zone in their careers.

The first time they stepped into an ambulance, their heart was probably racing.

Their palms were sweaty.

Everything felt overwhelming.

Years later, attending a cardiac arrest has become something they know how to handle.

The same thing happens with exams.

We gradually expand our capacity.

Louise (32:03)

Exactly.

And that’s such an important point.

Yes, over time you become more experienced.

You learn what works for you.

But exam periods are always intense.

They’re never just another orange ball.

They’re always the flames and the knives.

That’s simply the nature of the season.

What changes isn’t the pressure itself.

What changes is how you prepare for it.

Don’t just walk into it thinking,

“Let’s see what happens.”

Prepare for it.

Mare (32:54)

Exactly.

Not,

“Here’s another flaming torch to add to the collection!”

Louise (33:03)

Exactly!

I know I’m talking to a room full of high achievers.

But please…

Prepare for the season.

Mare (33:27)

So what does sustainable high performance actually look like?

How do we achieve it?

Louise (33:37)

I think we’ve actually touched on many of the key ingredients already.

To perform at a high level sustainably, you need to become very self-aware.

Life changes.

Stress changes.

Family situations change.

People get sick.

Jobs change.

You need enough awareness to adjust as those things happen.

Consistency is incredibly important.

If you ask successful people what helped them most, consistency comes up over and over again.

But consistency doesn’t mean rigidity.

It means building habits that support you over the long term.

Maybe you’ve developed a strong sleep routine.

If life throws you off track, you know how to return to it.

Maybe breathing exercises work for you.

Maybe it’s walking.

Maybe it’s meditation.

Everyone’s different.

The important thing is finding the tools that genuinely help you and practising them before you actually need them.

Very few people are perfectly consistent every single day.

Even the most disciplined people have periods where life gets messy.

The key is having systems you can return to.

And being flexible enough to adapt.

If you refuse to adjust anything during GAMSAT preparation, you’ll simply keep adding more and more pressure.

Eventually your performance starts to suffer.

Then comes the crash.

That’s exactly what we’re trying to avoid.

So listen to your body.

Build good habits.

Stay flexible.

And actually take the time to discover what works for you.

Some people love meditation.

Some people hate it.

Some people prefer breathing exercises.

Others need a walk outside.

There’s no single correct answer.

The important thing is finding your own toolkit.

Mare (36:30)

When I think about Tom during medical school, he had an incredibly consistent routine.

Medical school was essentially his full-time job. He’d be there from about nine to five every day, and then there was always extra work to complete during the week.

He knew exactly what his routine looked like.

He’d get up at six o’clock every morning and usually wouldn’t go to bed until around midnight.

At the time, I was exercising quite a lot. I’d leave the house at about five in the morning for a 5:30 am bootcamp class.

We had a really clear routine.

I cooked dinner every night.

Tom did the cleaning up afterwards, which, let’s be honest, was definitely the easier job!

We always had dinner together.

I’d go off to my full-time job.

He’d head off to what was essentially his full-time job at medical school.

Then, between five and seven in the evening, he’d either go to the gym or continue studying.

I’d usually head to bed around 8:30 or 9:00 pm, but he’d keep working until midnight.

He’d either be studying or building what eventually became Thank Flip.

Every Saturday was his catch-up day.

Anything he hadn’t managed to finish during the week got done on Saturday.

The whole day was blocked out.

Sunday, however, was completely different.

That was our day together.

No studying.

No work.

We’d spend time together and always have dinner together.

That consistency was what got him through medical school while also building a business at the same time.

Louise (38:22)

I actually love that catch-up day.

Building a business while studying medicine is already enough juggling!

But that Saturday buffer is such an important idea.

If every hour of every day is already allocated and something unexpected happens during the week, you immediately start wondering,

“When am I ever going to catch up?”

That creates another layer of stress.

Having a dedicated catch-up buffer removes that pressure because you already know where the work can go.

Of course, you have to actually use that time for catching up and not procrastinating.

Weekends can be hard because everyone else is relaxing.

But if you’ve planned for that buffer, it becomes a safety net.

I think that’s a fantastic system.

Mare (39:55)

Medical school is relentless.

Tom used to tell me that what he’d cover in one week of medicine was about the equivalent of a month’s worth of work during his undergraduate degree.

Then the following week they’d do another month’s worth.

It just kept coming.

That Saturday buffer allowed him to properly consolidate everything he hadn’t quite mastered during the week.

Another thing he was incredibly disciplined about was attending every class live.

Actually, this is probably a good message for our Bootcamp students listening.

Don’t tell yourself you’ll just watch the recording later.

Come to the live class if you possibly can.

When you’re there live, you do the work alongside us.

You leave with the work completed.

You don’t leave with another task sitting on your to-do list.

Louise (40:40)

Exactly.

Watching the recording later is rarely the same.

Often people press play while they’re doing something else.

They’re not fully engaged.

They’re not completing the exercises.

You lose so much of the benefit.

If you can do it live, do it live.

Mare (40:51)

Absolutely.

I’ve loved this conversation.

Honestly, I could talk to you for days.

Before we finish, is there one final piece of wisdom you’d like to leave everyone with?

Louise (41:04)

I think the biggest thing I’d want people to remember is that success doesn’t have to come at the expense of your wellbeing.

So many people believe they simply have to push through, crash afterwards, and deal with the consequences later.

I don’t believe that’s true.

I don’t think success requires sacrificing yourself.

It requires changing the way you approach demanding seasons.

Go into these periods with a plan—not just for your study, but for your whole life.

Think about how you’re going to adjust different areas so you can increase your effort where it matters without sacrificing the things that matter most.

Maybe that means protecting Sunday with your family.

Maybe it means asking for help.

Maybe it means preparing meals ahead of time.

Those aren’t signs of weakness.

They’re signs of planning.

I really want to challenge the idea that success equals hustle followed by burnout.

It doesn’t.

It simply requires doing things differently.

That’s exactly why I created the New Rules Method.

The old rules weren’t working.

The new rules are about performing at your best without sacrificing yourself in the process.

Mare (42:15)

Lou, thank you so much.

I genuinely believe you’ve changed lives today, and I don’t say that lightly.

Thank you for sharing your time, your experience and your wisdom with all of us.

If people would like to learn more about you, where can they find you?

Louise (42:38)

The easiest place is probably Facebook.

Just search for Louise Ledbrook.

I’m also on Instagram, LinkedIn and all the usual social platforms.

I’d absolutely love to connect with you.

Thank you so much for having me.

I’ve really enjoyed this conversation.

Mare (42:56)

I’ve loved it too.

We’ll include links to Louise’s social media profiles in the show notes so you can follow her journey and learn more about her work.

Although your challenges may look different, the hustle is something so many of us have in common.

Thank you again, Lou.

And to everyone listening, I hope you have a wonderful day.

Bye for now.

Louise (43:28)

Thank you.

Bye everyone.